werewolf powers regarding killing vampires..?

[Ellie]

THIS ALWAYS CRAWLS ACROSS MY MIND AND I ALWAYS FORGET TO BRING IT UP TO FANG. SO I'M GONNA JUST START A THREAD NOW SO WE CAN ALL DISCUSS THIS TOGETHER INSTEAD, CAPISCE?

Okay, so what if, say, a werewolf delivered a lethal bite to a vampire. Lethal as in, like, they ripped a chunk of their throat out or they started mauling into their guts lethal. The werewolf venom was like.. filled with vitality, so that if the vampire got enough to go along with their fatal wound - they could like, jump-start their life and then they'd die because it was a... lethal wound. But of course there'd be no way to harness werewolf venom for use of turning vampires back to living humans cuz that'd just be stupid. Werewolf venom = bad. If it was collected and like - drank by a vamp in hopes that they'd be human again they'd be human again but then just die because it's like poison. And if it was a minor bite it'd take longer to heal like fire.

I figure this would be a little bit of a big-sort-of step... since werewolves have had the underhand for so long... but you all seem to want more on their side.. so? Is this a good or a bad idea? It seems to me like this would level the playing field a little bit more and such. Fang can't NPC Giselle into having her intestines spilled out all over the place because of a werewolf.. but that's just something we'll have to do without (much to Lars's relief), aww.

THOUGHTS?

[*sombra delgadillo]

This topic needs a like button. Win.

[Ellie]

Okay cool! We got two people to go with it, but we need more opinions. Talk it out, guys.

[Fang]

=( but I like it when I get to write various organs (or limbs xD) getting all ripped from Giselle xDDDD

But I'm down for this, giving the wolfies an edge.

[Vienna Charavelli]

Okay so I'm going to stay biased against werewolves here and say I don't like it. Plus the fact that with a minor bite it just takes a long time to heal throws me off a bit, because wouldn't their 'venom' stuff still make them mortal? I think it would be better to give the werewolves more power against vampires and give them something to fight a vampire with but this just doesn't mesh together well. Uhmm what if their venom just made it so the vampire lost their speedy healing and any type of cut, major or minor would take the same amount of time to heal on a vampire as it would a human? And then if you still wanted it to be lethal you could just add that the vampire dies because it can't have a gushing neck wounds for months and can't see a doctor because they're dead?

[Rose Decumbry]

HM, werewolf venom turning vampires mortal? WIN. What I have for Rose in the future, would even. have her being human, so I like, like.

[Ellie]

...Fang.. limb ripping isn't really fatal, is it? Oh, but wait - it'd have to heal back xD nevermind. Bahahaha.

Vienna, naw, a minor bite wouldn't make them mortal... not enough venom. It'd just be enough to prolong the unnatural healing. A lethal bite would turn them mortal long enough to kill them, though.

Rose, I said the werewolf venom can't turn a vampire human.. ever.. A minor bite wouldn't do much, and anything more than that would kill a vamp - because essentially, it's poison. When they DIE they'd be mortal.. sure.. but uh, they'd be dead.

I've never had a wolf.. but I'm sure if I played them/liked them I'd want a little evening of the playing field..

Also, just like with a fire burn, a minor bite can heal faster if the vampire has a steady intake of blood.

[nada harper]

Okay so I can go with the bite being lethal to vampires. But what's the point of turning them mortal if all it's going to do is kill them in the end any way?

So I'd keep the venom but drop the mortally as is it doesn't seem to last long enough to really matter. I mean really what going to happen? They shime, shake, gain a complexion, lose the fangs and die all over again.

And then theres the whole 'if a tree falls in the woods and no ones there does it make a noise' aspect. If the Vamp is bit and becomes mortal before dying and there's no other vamps around to see it does it count?

I think I've made point. Keep the poison lose the mortality.

[Concieved D'maggio]

Yes sometimes the vampires do have the upper edge in some cases as do the werewolves. The problem I'm having is that a lethal bite to a vampire would turn them into a mortal, but would also in turn kill them. There needs to be some kind of leveling here . . . id say keep the killing, lose the mortality.

[Ellie]

The only point in it having turn them mortal was to actually make a lethal bite matter... they wouldn't die if they weren't mortal first! I mean, it doesn't really matter in detail.. it just makes things a little more logical? I'm willing to drop it if it makes things too confusing though...

[nada harper]

The way I'm looking at it is if a vampire or werewolf bite are like some sort of virus to their victim, to which they may or may not surive the turning. Then a bite between the two, such as your wolf biting a vamp can simply work as the wolfs living virus simply destoring the vamps own version of their virus.

So I suppose the restoration of the vampires mortality could be workable, but once again since they're just going to die anyway. What's the point?

[dante]

*Muses* So, a werewolf bite would kind of be like a ruleset where Vampires exposed to Sunlight for prolonged periods (not necessary Crimson Kiss' ruleset, mind) experiences a loss of their supernatural powers (for example, their regenerative ability slows and/or stops). It weakens them; the more venom inside of them the weaker they become to the point of death (given sufficient dosage).

The 'mortal' aspect is, in another way, the loss a Vampire's ability to regenerate resulting in the loss of too much blood and/or the idea, as Nada mentioned, that the werewolf 'virus' is capable of inflicting widespread internal damage to a wounded Vampires whose lack of regenerative ability results in systemic bodily damage at the cellular level they can't recover from--a thought to avoid the blood-drained vampire can be revived by injecting blood back into their dry corpse (which may or may not be an issue).

Not sure if that makes sense, but bwaha ^_^

[Ellie]

The point of them turning mortal before they die.. is so that they CAN die from the fatal wound inflicted. If they were just bitten and then died that'd make no sense, because like, if you just cut a chunk of say their neck off - they'd eventually heal.

But given the fact that you have a load of werewolf venom in there - that venom restores their mortality (yes, and 'slows down' their healing rate in a nonlethal bite) JUST LONG ENOUGH for them to die.

Vampires can't die - only by sun and fire.. so the werewolf venom turns them human, essentially, just before they die.. enabling them to.. die.

BUT LIKE I SAID, IF THE WHOLE "TURN INTO MORTAL BEFORE YOU DIE" THING IS TOO CONFUSING/POINTLESS, THEN I CAN SETTLE FOR JUST MAKING WEREWOLVES BE LETHAL TO A VAMPIRE AND THAT'S THAT - NO TECHNICALITIES.

I just thought it'd be better to have some sort of explanation, but I guess not, haha.

[Aduro]

Ok so I'm going to agree with Nada here. I like the bite being lethal but the mortality thing just kinda makes it all seem a bit 'If a vampire gets bit he's screwed no matter what'. I do agree, however, that werewolves do need a bit of a bite against vampires, no pun intended. Now I do have a thought but bear with me here as it is a bit rough.

Say, for instance, a werewolf gets a hold of a vampires neck and chomps the vampire up pretty good. Not only would that make feeding for a vampire incredibly difficult but it would weaken them severely. From an RP aspect that's two birds with one stone, the vampire can't feed due to their throat having been torn out and the vamp is a lot weaker due to the werewolf venom and I think we all know what happens to a vampire that can't feed.

Perhaps if a werewolf bite had the same healing time as a vampire exposed to fire due to the venom and that was it then I would be happy as heck with the idea but anything more than that would make me a bit wary as the wound alone would be quite detrimental to a vampire without killing him over time.

[Vienna Charavelli]

Along with the whole mortality thing that's throwing people off, I think for this to happen, rules are going to have to be set in place as what constitutes a lethal wound and what a vampire is capable of living through because otherwise there's going to be arguing over it.